From: Lléo
Date: 21 May 2003 02:56
Subject: Brasilian Championship stopped

With no date set for resume.

http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/useg/esportes/artigo/0,,1208119,00.html

You see, put people who should be serving time in jails to run football
clubs and this is what happens.

The gist of the article is that the clubs decided to stop the league until
they can adapt to a recently passed law, which states club directors are now
responsible for eventual problems on the organization of matches - including
fights, inside or outside the stadium. They also claim it is not possible to
put numbered seats on stadiums until the next round.

I don't know. It's not like this was a law approved on the dark of the
night, to no-one's notice. It's not like this law was a foreign discussion
to the Brasilian football scene, as anyone who reads newspapers here will
know. Hell, it's not like they're being asked to do anything nonsensical,
just some expected professional sporting administration (I know, I know,
"asking too much...").

Therefore, fans of 48 clubs across the country (yes, Serie B was also
stopped) will have to find something else to do in the weekend.

It is said that often foreigners pray to God (mostly Argentinians, or so I
heard), asking why does He put so many gifted footballers in Brasil, instead
of adopting a more democratic distribution. His reply? "Sure, but now just
wait to see the people I'll place to run football there, bwahahahahah".

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Mais um vexame: futebol brasileiro está paralisado
21:07 20/05
Redação, com Lancepress! (editorultimosegundo@ig.com)

Única seleção pentacampeã do mundo, o Brasil deu mais uma prova nesta
terça-feira de que a atuação dos seus cartolas fora dos quatro linhas não
condiz em nada com os craques que revela todos os anos.

Na noite desta terça-feira, após reunião dos grandes clubes do país - como
Grêmio, Vasco, Flamengo, Cruzeiro, entre outros - a CBF confirmou o que
todos temiam: está paralisado o Campeonato Brasileiro tanto da Série A
quanto da Série B.

O motivo alegado pelos clubes é que eles não têm tempo hábil para cumprir
todas as exigência do Estatuto do Torcedor, lei sancionada na semana
passada, que prevê a responsabilização de dirigentes por eventuais
transtornos nos jogos do torneio, como briga dentro e fora dos estádios.

Além disso, os times alegam também que é inviável a numeração dos ingressos
das partidas, bem como dos assentos nos estádios, medidas previstas na nova
lei.

"Tem muitos itens desse Estatuto do Torcedor que não poderemos cumprir até a
próxima rodada do Brasileiro. Principalmente esses ítens relativos à
segurança nos estádios e à saúde dos torcedores, como a colocação de
ambulâncias nos estádios. Pretendemos ir ao ministro Agnelo e ao presidente
Lula para pedirmos um tempo maior para nos adaptarmos", explicou o
presidente vascaíno, Eurico Miranda.

O vice de futebol do Cruzeiro, Zezé Perrela, avisou que a decisão é
irrevogável: "tenho um carinho muito grande pelo ministro Agnelo Queiroz,
sei que é um homem preocupado com o futebol. Mas na hora de discutir o
estatuto ele procurou pessoas erradas para conversar. Eu mesmo me ofereci
para dialogar e não fui ouvido", disse o dirigente.

Perrela disse estar preocupado com alguns itens do Estatuto: "por exemplo,
eu não administro o Mineirão, mas se acontece alguma coisa com o torcedor em
um jogo do Cruzeiro o presidente do clube é que vai ser o responsável. É
certo isso?", questionou.

Em entrevista à Rede Globo, o Ministro dos Esportes, Agnelo Queiroz,
ratifica que os clubes tiveram conhecimento dos prazos do Estatuto do
Torcedor. "A lei é equlibrada e foi discutida durante meses por todos. Deve
ser falta de conhecimento, já que ela dá prazo para determinados itens",
afirmou.

Segundo divulgou a própria CBF, os jogos desta quarta-feira pelas semifinais
da Copa do Brasil, assim como a partida do Grêmio pela Libertadores, estão
confirmados, já que os bilhetes para os confrontos já estão sendo vendidos.
A rodada deste final de semana, no entanto, não será realizada até que
alguma outra medida seja tomada.
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From: Lléo
Date: 22 May 2003 05:04
Subject: Re: Brasilian Championship stopped

And I just found a quote from Palmeiras's president, Mustafá Contursi.

- Não estou sabendo de nada. Preciso primeiro saber os motivos antes de
emitir alguma opinião. Já havia colocado o meu departamento jurídico para
estudar essa lei (o Estatuto do Torcedor). Vamos fazer o que for factível. O
que não for factível, não dá para fazer. ***Não tomei conhecimento dessa
lei, mas existem tantas leis que são impossíveis de serem plenamente
cumpridas***.

"I never even knew about this law, but then again, there are so many laws
out there that are impossible to be followed"

That's the mindset, people.

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From: Lléo
Date: 22 May 2003 05:04
Subject: Re: Brasilian Championship stopped

"Ava Greenwing"  wrote in message
news:bb5b5581.0305211903.6c672542@posting.google.com...
> bordon_is_gone@hotmail.com (Bordon Is Gone) wrote in message
news:...
>
> > But the end, the truth is that CORINTHIANS chokes in international
> > competitions, that is part of the rules of the game (FIFA rule 65: "In
> > international competitions, sooner or later CORINTHIANS must embarass
> > themselves and all their fellow countrymen.")
>
> How was Corinthians' winning the title in FIFA's 2000 Club World
> Championship an embarassment to themselves and all their fellow
> countrymen?

Excuse me? That championship finished on January 8th at the Maracanã, on the
final whistle of Vasco da Gama 3-1 Manchester United. All else past that
point was merely a piece of collective illusion, possibly caused by the
inhumane summer temperatures in Rio de Janeiro.

--
Lléo
Though it was nice to see Necaxa > Real Madrid :)

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From: Lléo
Date: 23 May 2003 04:46
Subject: Re: Championship on again (was Re: Brasilian Championship stopped)

"Ava Greenwing"  wrote in message
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> Now the CBF is claiming that the scheduled matches will take place
> this weekend.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-walkoutdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns
>
> Brazilian Football Stoppage Averted
>
> RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - Brazil's soccer bosses on Thursday backed
> down from their decision to paralyze domestic football in a row over a
> new law demanding better conditions for supporters.
>
> The Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF), which had announced the
> stoppage on Tuesday along with directors from a group of the country's
> biggest clubs, said the weekend matches would go ahead after all.
>
> "The CBF decided late on Wednesday night, May 21, to carry on with
> Serie A (the first division) and Serie B (the second division) of the
> Brazilian championship," said a statement posted on the CBF's Web Site
> in the early hours of Thursday.
>
> "This decision, taken by (CBF) president Ricardo Teixeira, was made
> out of respect for Brazilian supporters."

I think these people, said club directors and presidents plus Ricardo
Teixeira, shoud go to jail (doh!) nonetheless, for having tried to force the
government to withdraw the recently passed sports law (known as the
supporter's statute) by suspending the league, in a move that was nothing
other than blackmailing, really. Goes to show how desperate they are, but
that's another discussion. Actually, the majority of the clubs from both
Serie A and B were against the suspension, and some weren't even consulted
about it.

Usually I would think they'd probably get away with it, but now I have my
doubts regarding their impunity. Consider that they just tried to tell the
minister, "either the law or the championship". Key term, OR. What does that
say about the way they run their business? In Brasil, such displays of
disrespect of the law have often gone unpunished, even more so in football,
where merit and on-field results at times weighted less than vague abstracts
like "tradition". It's refreshing to see things changing and, one hopes,
that it's for real this time.